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It's said that it's not easy to find the true love, and I agree on this, and finding the right Russian wife in the jungle of dating-sites is even harder.
So to help people various anti-scam agencies offer help to avoid women scammers or even worse agencies that scam.
But this has become rather difficult to be sure on these sites as well as there are two sites with almost the same name and with an administrator who in both cases is called Jim. (:)
when studying their gold- and black-list the two sites very much disagree with each other, because most of the sites gold-listed by agencyscams are black-listed by agency-scams and several of the sites that agency-scams have gold-listed are more or less suspicious by agencyscams.
My question is, and it is an open question to everyone here, which one of the sites is fake and which one is honest?
With such a difference in their opinion one of them must be lying, I just do not know which is which.
So I hope anyone can help me on this topic.
This is an easy one to call agencyscams.com has been around for 9 years now.He has built his database up all by himself.That agency-scams has stolen all of his listings and every chance they have they blast him with B.S. you can trust Jim from agencyscams.com but I would not put any trust into what thosae other Bozos tell you hell they could even be scammers themselves if you have any questions which are not answered on his site you can write him and he is more than happy to help.
Jim's List aka AgencyScams.com Are Crazed, Hypocritical Liars and Must Be Stopped
My name is Andrew; I am the founder of www.AgencyScams.net
I am expert in online dating scams; it is my hobby to fight against them.
I have to tell you the following:
WWW.AGENCYSCAMS.COM and JIMSLISTS.COM IS 100% SCAM!!!
The truth is that:
The guy pretends to be a Canadian, who lived in Russia for 7 years, and he is doing it just for fun with no money, he also lists every single agency as a scam accept Elenasmodels.com scam operation. He lists more than 1100 sites as scam and has the nerve to tell as that the biggest scammer of all - elenasmodels.com is innocent and does not scam.
Can you actually believe the guy? - Probably not because where is not Jim - only Elena Petrova (who owns Elenasmodels.com ) herself destroying competition for over 8 years, making it the biggest scam in the world.
Jims Lists and AgencyScams.com as a NETWORK of LIARS and SCAMMERS who lie and steel clients all over the world from everybody else.
is the WORST RIP OFF IN THE DATING WORLD.
It should be re-named ELENASSCAMS.com due to high number of scammers on her web site.
Please, you have any questions contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org, I would love to answer your questions and send you more info.
I and HUNDREDS of People Wants to SUE Mr Jim for Defamation and HIS RIP off BUSINESS
ATTENTION: THIS REPORT WAS MADE BY THE BIGGEST TERRORIST IN ONLINE DATING INDUSTRY, HIS NICK NAME IS MR. JIM
MR. JIM and his websites, agencyscams and jimslists are his tools to kill the reputation of well known agencies which refuse to pay him money.
I am the owner of agencyscams.net the website which was created to make justice in online dating industry and to fight against such scammers like Jim.
I have a lots of complaints from other agencies (hundreds of them) who confirm that Mr. Jim demanded money from them. HE threatened them that he will destroy their reputation if they will not pay.
I AM THE GUY WHO LOST MY BUSINESS BECAUSE OF HIM, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO MEET MR. JIM IN COURT. IT IS MY GOAL.
Today, I am doing different kind of business anyways, and I don't have such great amount of time like professional scammer do. But still I will eventually will find out his real name and address, and then I will call my lawyer.
Right now I am trying to attack his hosting people from Internet Idea Inc and ask them to remove his spam websites.
I have no connection with Dream-Marriage Inc; however, I can confirm that this agency is fighting against Mr.Jim scam.
I NEVER, ever ADVERTISE ANY DATING AGENCY in my life using my website AgencyScams.net
All the agencies on my Platinum List is just the people who support me fighting against Mr. Jim and all other scammers.
HOWEVER, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT MR JIM'S SPAM WEBSITES WHICH ALL ADVERTISE ELENASMODELS AND HER AFFILIATES. Finally, this guy is telling to his users go and find their dream on ElenasModels sites where he will get 50% of what you will spend there.
Elena and Jim are Partners in Crime:
Jim from AgencyScams.com lists more than 1100 sites as scam sites, but offers all praises for Elenasmodels.com, which happens to be the biggest Russian scam site in existence. Their purpose: to take money from and make fools of American men.
Elena’s sites use every fake and scam-related thing you can think of – from fake profiles to fake pictures and even duplicated, generic letters that do not come from real girls. If you’re considering dating Russian women, there are some sweet, beautiful girls out there who are really searching for a husband.
You will not find them at either of the sites mentioned above, though – the only thing you will find is heartbreak and someone waiting to strip as much money from you as possible before disappearing forever.
Stay away from these sites and do yourself a favor!
TOGETHER WE WILL STOP THIS CRIMINAL !!!
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, PLEASE CONTACT ME, I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I know the admin on Natasha Club well after arguing with him so many times. And I saw on the UA site that they are looking for translators with clients and/or girls with clients. I was like, really...... I'm a client???? And then depending on how many letters the translator can translate, there is a commission, and it is rather high. Then the translator gives money to the girls. Makes total sense.
Why does it make sense? You see, these girls are online almost religiously. sometimes it seems like shifts. 8 hours on, and then wait 16 hours and they are back. and they are at the agency 7 days a week and still they don't find love. And they are looking like 2 and 3 years. Who has that kind of patience? So this is what I think. The agency pays, via the translators, for the girls to sit there and not give up. Then the agency makes a lot of money and the girls are compensated for their time. Let us remember that many of the girls there want a man. However, the true scammers, they let the translator do all the talking and then they just get a piece of the pie aka commission. This makes total sense. For the girls who are "working" at the agency, many of them are looking for love yes. They don't talk about how they are getting a wage since then, they would lose the guy they love, if they are honest, so they say they have another job.
I say this because I know one woman who says she is a lawyer and she is online like every night 11 pm to 7 am. Okay, how is it that she works and sleeps? I don't get it. I never ask this about this for the sake of her pride. She is online 7 days a week, as many women are for Dream Marriage and other sites. So.... how is it that she goes to work at 7 am and then goes home, and then goes to agency? She would not have enough time and every morning, she says she is going home.... and yet, she wants love. See..... she is getting paid..... There is no other logical reason for this.
This is how I think the system works. There are 2 types of payments. One is pure letter writing. The translator is involved and s/he pays the commission. maybe she is real, maybe not.
The second version is cam and set wage. This is what Dream-Marriage and Russianlovematch use. There is no translator per say. All translation is done online via automatic translators. The men pay a membership free for a set number of letters and then must pay the big money for cam. The women receive money for their time at the agency probably via a translator or outside agent.
Anastanciadate must use both systems at the same time. They scam however and whenever possible.
the agencies say to the women that the only way they will ever get out of Ukraine is via them so adhere to their policy or else, they get booted. you ever notice how the women fear the agencies? It is because they will lose money first, and then the ability to leave second. The scammers don't care about the possibility to losing a man, the real women fear this, they fear both.
And I am sure that the single mothers on the dating sites, they want to marry faster because their wages are lower. I am sure they talk about this with other women and they notice this therefore, they want out asap.
There are other methods the women are paid. One is that they might receive a free computer as long as they do a set amount of hours on them, aka at least 50 per week. This is a big thing in Ukraine. Also, I am sure we have all see photos of women holding their new iPhones. And they receive vacations, and group parties.
What I have noticed is this. When I talk with women from the dating sites on vkontakte.ru I get 2 results. One is like, oh yes, talk with me here, I will do anything for you. The second one is that the woman disappears or she tries to change her photos. you see, this makes total sense. The women who are genuine, they want to talk and they want out of Ukraine. The women who are doing it for money, they don't want communication of course unless it is on the dating site, aka at work. And I am talking about women with whom I have exchanged more than 20 letters.
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